# Autopoiesis: Self-organization and self-creation in grassroots settings

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**Created:** [October 16, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://discuss.coding.social/t/autopoiesis-self-organization-and-self-creation-in-grassroots-settings/448 "2023-10-16T12:46:03Z")\
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**Author:** ![jokibitzer](https://discuss.coding.social/user_avatar/discuss.coding.social/jokibitzer/32/521_2.png) [@jokibitzer](https://discuss.coding.social/u/jokibitzer)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://discuss.coding.social/t/autopoiesis-self-organization-and-self-creation-in-grassroots-settings/448/2 "2023-10-18T13:15:50Z")

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As indicted above this thread is a fork from [Intro and forums versus chats - #11 by jokibitzer - SocialHub](https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/intro-and-forums-versus-chats/3636/11)

> [@aschrijver](#):
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> system-level change

> [@jokibitzer](#):
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> we are both interested in a _system-level_ / topmost-level _change._

> [@aschrijver](#):
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> Yes, we share those interests and understandings

> [@jokibitzer](#):
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> 1. **Spontaneous big cooperations.**

> [@aschrijver](#):
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> I am interested in 2), with the added notion that we can control the conditions that facilitate _spontaneous emergence_ so that organic networks of 1) small groups can work together in synergetic value-adding interactions, while these groups themselves 3) determine their own preferred (governance) structure that works best for them. In the Nature analogy I am interested in where cells form tissue fabrics and arteries for the exchange of proteins and the DNA that evolves to keep those healthy, and not cancerous.
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> … I broadened that thinking out to “grassroots ecosystems” in general (where you can just as well think more non-technical civic / social impact ecosystems).

I do:

1. Participate / Try to inititiate long-term small cooperations / groups, each seeing itself as  
a. autopoietic / autonomous / self-creating / self-governing  
b. participating in / being an atom of network which close to them might look like similar cooperations / groups, each local cooperation / group cooperating with / tuning itself with small number of others
2. Some theory about 1 both  
a. inside groups a la 1  
b. on my own

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